Jesus Camp Trailer

[Gandelf]

...are you now willing to answer some of the earlier questions? such as Crom's questions on what it is about evolution that makes you disbeleive it?

Essentially, I'm asking, how do you deal with and explain something that contradicts what you beleive when you can see the evidence of the contradiction first hand if you choose to do so or do you simply not even consider it?

The simple answer is "faith". I deal with it through faith and it works for me.

Forsaking
All
I
Trust
Him

In this case the "Him" I refer to his my God. I could easily put "Her" instead of "Him", because the Bible in a number of places reveals feminine aspects of God's personality. I'm happy with that, I've got no problems with people referring to god in the feminine gender.

It may seem that I have completely forsaken the path of science and evolution and I admit that what the theory of evolution suggests, does on the surface APPEAR to be at odds with the Biblical account of creation. Having said that, I cannot ignore my experience of becoming a born-again Christian. For 16 years of my life I wasn't a Christian. Why should I suddenly change? It wasn't a gradual process... it happened instantly. One moment I was not born-again, the next moment I was. That experience was so strong, the emotion of the moment so intense. I've never experienced anything like it since. As such, it will sound completely unscientific of me when I say that "I know" there is a God and "I know" that he is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. That's because of the witness of the Holy Spirit within me. As for other religions, I cannot say. It's up to the believers of other religions to answer for what they believe. All I know is that God works in mysterious ways.

I believe that God and science are like separate pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, with maybe a few (or a lot) of other pieces missing that complete the whole picture. Maybe one day those missing pieces will be discovered so that everyone will realise that there is no contradiction at all, just misunderstanding.

That's the only way I can explain it. I hope it is sufficient.

[Luz]

Isnt gender something nessesary for reproducing?

Why would God be male of female?? That sugests that there is more then one god that could reproduce.

[Gandelf]

Isnt gender something nessesary for reproducing?

Why would God be male of female?? That sugests that there is more then one god that could reproduce.

How can I put this?

People have often asked about what will happen in heaven when married partners die and go there. Would they still be married or not? Jesus tells us that in heaven we will be like the angels who neither marry or who are given in marriage. In other words there are no male or female genders in heaven. Gender is necessary for physical reproduction. As there is no need for reproduction in heaven, there are no men or women from a gender point of view. That's difficult for us to comprehend because we are so used to thinking of a person based on his or her gender. We will still be able to recognise our family and friends in heaven, just in the same way we do now, i.e. from personalities, but they will be neither male nor female.

It follows that God is neither male nor female also. The reason why we refer to God as "Him" or "Her", I believe is simply down to the fact that we are used to the concept of gender in a physical sense. So, when the Bible talks of God in the masculine or feminine sense, it is only as means by which we can better understand God's nature, i.e. He is like a father to us, in that He provides for us, or She is like mother to us in the that She comforts her children and nutures them.

Does that explain?

On a side note, some of you may be a bit disappointed about the above, because you'll be expecting lots of virgins to be waiting for you in heaven, but the fact that there are no males or females kicks that one on the head I'm afraid.

[Sardine]

To be honest I find it oh so confusing. Sure there's Darwin's theory of evolution, but that's all it is, a theory. Some extremely intelligent man with a huge idea. Yes there is quite a bit of evidence to back Darwin's theory with, however at the end of the day it is still just one man expressing his opinions (which scientists and many others have taken literally as it were some type of 'science bible')

I find it hard to believe that the whole universe and mankind were made out of accident by a big bang. If that were the case then surely there would be more glitches in the world and in humans. Take for example humans being made by accident, then surely pretty much all of us wouldn't be able function and move properly. You would have thought some people would have arms on there back or have five eyes instead of two. Hell, even some people could have dicks on thier head if we were made from a big bang (although some idiots act like they do anyway)

On the other hand with creation it's hard to believe that the universe just magically appeared. When I think of creation I see the big man sitting on a stool with pens and pencils in his hand thinking "I know I'll just put a star here, and drawing it in"

I don't know how the earth got here, maybe god didnt create the world in 6 days but actually created the big bang which he created to create us? Who knows, it's just another theory.

There's always three sides to a story and in this case it's what the religious people say, what the scientists say and what really did happen.

[<ankh>]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gat ... large.html

Nothing to do with the other posts - but its scary to see still.

[Luz]

Why would a God create 1.000.000.000.000.000 planets and stars??

There´s no reason whatsoever. If earth took 6 litteral days to make, creating the whole universe would take, oh lets say 6billion milions days??

And if its not refering to 6 days but one of theese days are actually much longer then a day, then wtf, whole universe took even longer then 6.000.000.000.000.000 days.

We are an accident, we have no purpose, geesh get over it

[Luz]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gat ... large.html

Nothing to do with the other posts - but its scary to see still.

Well isnt that just great. I think its a good thing the church is about faith and pleasing God and not just a way to gain unspoken power above all who blindly walk in belief.

As said earlier in this thread, christianity is a way for greedy men to controll the mass of people and get rich and powerfull.

Even if there is a god and christians are all right, the church as a whole is still wrong!
If we could get people to atleast understand this we would have done a great deal of good. There is no reason people should gain enourmus profits on people who believe in their God.

[Lieva]

As said earlier in this thread, christianity is a way for greedy men to controll the mass of people and get rich and powerfull.

Even if there is a god and christians are all right, the church as a whole is still wrong!
If we could get people to atleast understand this we would have done a great deal of good. There is no reason people should gain enourmus profits on people who believe in their God.

yknow you could say that about the politicians.

I dont think anyone is doubting the fact that there are alot of bad eggs in ALL religious camps but their doctrine is usually for the best.

Thing is - alot of people seem to like keeping secrets. They keep secrets over the most mundane and idiotic things.
If you have been brought up being kept out of most things and suddenly a person comes along and says they have the answer to everything - it is no wonder how people give all their money and such to these people.
So technicaqlly you cannot blame the nasty people who are blatently abusing a 'market' for the need of knowledge rather - we should be more open in stuff.

How many times can you recall asking someone 'why does that happen?' and being told the answer 'it doesnt matter'

we use the phrase 'it doesnt matter' for 'i dont know' far to often.
if you ask a question then it matters to you - even if the person who you are talking to doesnt care.

i think ive lost the trail of thought here.
ill leave it and see if i can resemble a more better paragraoh later...

[Mojo]

To be honest I find it oh so confusing. Sure there's Darwin's theory of evolution, but that's all it is, a theory. Some extremely intelligent man with a huge idea. Yes there is quite a bit of evidence to back Darwin's theory with, however at the end of the day it is still just one man expressing his opinions (which scientists and many others have taken literally as it were some type of 'science bible')

Mmm how I understood it was that the evolution theory was way before Darwins time, wasn't darwin just famous for the theory of natural selection which fitted in with the already well known and proven evolution theory?

[<ankh>]

the part where they mention the priest and the 9 year old..and ask another priest if thats enough to remove him from his position..the reply he got was chocking.

/Ankh