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[Sharkith]

Well lets call it norms and morals then, but i sure dont think it helps the overall cummunity on prydwen to tell on a relid raid event outside game, and surely not when we all can see how bad mids have it allready, so how is this in anyway good?

Hrymf,

I think I finally get it. This is the penny dropping \o/.



OK so maybe we can summarise what seem to be the views in this thread so far. There is a claim that someone broke a community 'norm' by posting information on a public board about a relic raid. There are some people who feel quite strongly about this norm and have cried for the person concerned to be banned. Others feel that a rule has been broken and so have chastised the person concerned.

The problem with norms is that they have to have some sort of sanction and this is where the Code of Conduct should come in. A code of conduct would mean that a decision about what was normal and what was not could be taken. The problem is that realistically the code of conduct cannot cover this sort of thing and therefore it doesn't actually cover it at all. There is not evidence thus far to verify this (see all the hot air in my rants about it).

I hope this is ok so far?

Well if this is ok I would have to say that if something cannot realistically be covered by a code of conduct and therefore be policed (so that Mythic and GoA don't get sued for the withdrawal of a service).

I am forced to conclude that the absence of the ability to sanction such behaviour means that the norm in question is not actually a 'norm' as such because you cannot enforce it. It causes arguements and has resulted in a thus far fruitless discussion.

I might be better to use the exposure of the norm as inadequate and try to find a range of ways to 'see things differently'. Mythic clearly state that for example double teaming might be appropriate under restricted cicumstances - personally I can see where this would be a major advantage on servers where one side comes to dominate....

kind regards and thanks Hrymf for finally helping me see through this.

Sharkith

[Hrymf]

[quote="Sharkith"]Hrymf,

I think I finally get it. This is the penny dropping \o/.

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Nothing can be done against this, or at least GOA cant as you so nicely state, but that still dont mean its right to do so, i surely dont like the idea of blabbering and using silly advantages just because its gonna be hard for GOA to prove you did it.

[Sharkith]

Nothing can be done against this, or at least GOA cant as you so nicely state, but that still dont mean its right to do so, i surely dont like the idea of blabbering and using silly advantages just because its gonna be hard for GOA to prove you did it.

Hi Hrymf,

this brings me to the next couple of points I was going to make because now I can get to your specific dissatisfaction with the thread, that it happened etc. You seem to feel that there is a kind of 'code' - can we call this code 'morals' about how people should meaningfully engage in the game? If we can then would you agree that these are personal morals of yours and not socially sanctioned norms. This puts you on a whole different set of debates and discussions.

If they are morals then the first thing you would have to do would be very careful when you try to argue that others should have the same morals as yourself. You would have to try to avoid attributing them to others because they are actually your personal values and not something others might subscribe to. When someone else doesn't hold the same 'morals' as you you should try not to be too upset when they do something that dissappoints you.

My second point is that personal morals will always be dissappointed when you attempt to apply them in game play situations because people will always try to exploit any advantage they can have in a competitive game like this. This is why I feel that this aspect of the game would be much more 'honest' as an open thing rather than controlled by 'morals that masquerade as norms'. That way we risk deluding ourselves and we will always be prone to disappointment.

As for you guys - you are doing a good job. I have often read dispondement in Hib and heard people getting down - we are having it good at the moment but it will swing the other way. The point is not to lose sleep over it but to pick oneself up and get back at the game.

kind regards

Sharkith

[Bourkey]

Hrymf, you still think i should be banned for using such a device as a telephone though? It's a game and a competitive one at that as Sharkith pointed out, If i much prefare playing with friends it isnt going to stop me from saying "Hey Matt, relic raids going on wanna come help could use a chanter.

[Treeeebeard]

Just a question here would like to see what ppl would say if i alterd the scenorio alittle (This is a fictional story btw )

Im sat on msn talking to adalyn arraning what tower to take ect after his finshed on counterstrike for example. While his playing i log onto Hib/Pry and find out theres a RR and tell him over Msn so he comes online say 2 mins quicker then he would have done anyhow, Should i get banned, Isolated hung drawn and quarterd Because i made someone 2 mins fater they they would have been anyhow? Or is it best if i know theres a RR on i quickly log of MSN disconnect all my telephone plugs make sure skypes not on and lock the door baracade it with chairs so i make sure I dont tell anyone theres a RR.

I mean tbh most ppl read forums 5 mins before they are logging on, while there online or if they have just logged of so the trhead wouldnt have made much differance anyhow. The fact that this thread is 9 pages is silly tbh, If anything ladder just basicly wasted his own time typing it because i doubt the differance was signifficent.

And also as i realy am not in the mood for reading throguh 9 pages, In what sence is blabbling about the raid? Is it ok to tell your best friend online theres a RR, your guild?, your alliance? Your next door neighbors pet chamodo dragon?(Dam i wish i had one:P)When do the bounderys end realy, Ladder used this as a way of passing information to his friends of hibernian as we should be. Personaly i dont see whats wrong with it, Also i dont see how his plan to post it while th raid was going on as by the time anyone had read it and got there they prob either got hit by a fg of roaming mids or the defence was over